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hi friends,

at first i would like to thank all of you for sharing your comments and e-mail me on my previous posts.
i would like to have your comment again on this piece?
do you think...did it really come from Han period /or later?

the stone is in celadon green tone with unusual 3 holes.
it was polished only one side (as the front side ,i think) while the back side you can see cutting lines ,which i don't know...how about the tool marks?

thank you very much
regards,
senztone

Senztone tell me, where did you get those? I have seen jade burial suits close-up, and these 2 pieces do not look anything like that. Sorry, you got 2 recent pieces. The tool marks give them away. Pieces of old burial suits were finely finished, no roughness.
Ernest

Dear senztone

Upon close observation with handy magnifying glass on jade burial suit sewn with silver threads of the Chu Prince of the Western Han dynasty displayed in HK museum of history in July 2007, some pieces was made from ancient zhou jade plaques with incised lines, motifs of cloud scrolls and mystical animals. Each pieces seem to be from different green stones. This cheap prince used many existing old green jades from his clan to be made for his jade shou.

Some pieces are with smooth surface some were not, but can not see tool marks on the surface without magnifying glass. The connection of each tiles were ground smooth, all edges were unsharpen without 90 degree angle.

The most important is "due to the curve of human body, all tiles will not be cut in 90 degree angle with sharp edges."

"NO WHITENING, GROWTH OF CRYSTAL, AND SECONDARY MINERAL WERE FOUND ON THE JADE SUIT."

This jade suit was considered as the last period that jade suit custom, since the lack of raw material, Han people considered that jade were too much luxurious and too valuable to be buried with the dead and til now 40 suits were found.

Jade shou at Han time was roughly equal to the properties of 100 middle-class families with 2 years to be completed. If hundred of princes died at the same time, the empire would be gone bankrupt.

I hope to see jade shou of the First Emperor who unified China in my life time, but China is afraid to open his tomb. May be it was already robbed.

I saw you pieces in the markets made of both nephrite and serpentine with or without whitening and lumps..want some more?

Have fun
Anita Mui

hi Ernest,

i don't know exactly where my friend ,a chinese antique shop owner, got this piece from China about 10years ago and it came only one at that time.

this small jade plaque is 3 cm.long and 3 mm.thick.
weathering marks look to be happened naturally.
at the back side, i notice the stone got skin corrosion later on the cutting sign.
the color and texture seem to be altered by a period of time.

i don't think this is a recent piece ,i feel it got some age.
or this plaque isn't a piece of burial jade suit...


regerds,
senztone

Dear senztone

They were made from stone that have altered parts.

See the picture, you may understand what I am talking about.

Have fun
Anita mui

dear Anita,

thank you very much for sharing your notice from your experience.
however, i don't think that the shape of pieces of the jade suit you have examined and posted here can be used as the general rule for authenticity.
my thought is that if these plaques were sewed together and let they have a narrow gap between each piece ,they can be form a jade suit and all tiles can be cut in 90 degree angle with sharp edges.

let's see the links

http://z8.invisionfree.com/Bronze_Age_Center/index.php?showtopic=574

http://www.cultural-china.com/chinaWH/html/en/32Arts415.html

now there is no evidence to prove my jade piece can not be an authentic one...
by the way, at this time i am also not much confident to say it's the real one...

i will post some more photo soon,
and it would be nice if you could post some photo of jade suit's pieces you found the same like mine a lot in the markets for me to compare.
if what you've found is the same as what i've got and were produced massively ,i am afraid that they are all fake.


regards,
senztone

Dear Senztone,

this is a wonderful piece of jade, I belive Anita and Ernest are quite wrong with their appraisal. Your small nephrite piece is very fine.

Diasai

Dear Diasai

That tiles with 90 degree cut can not be connected with each other with metal wires, the tiles will be broken while forming the pattern of jade suit.

By the way, pls update yourself about pyramid in China which dumb winfriedsiebert were talking about, not an earth mould in Xian that you were referring to.

Oh! it was discovered by Prof.Guo Dashun, a famous Chinese archaeologist whose live is hanging around Hongshan Culture excavation that you yourself(a so-called Hongshan expert) do not know anything about him and/or his works.

Hongshan Culture have pyramid you know that?

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5,000-year-old "Pyramid" Discovered in North China / Monday, July 09, 2001

Chinese archaeologists has discovered a pyramid-shaped building, dating back more than 5,000 years ago, in the Inner Mongolia Autonomous Region, in north China.

The "pyramid", located on a mountain ridge one kilometer north of Sijiazi Township in the Aohan Banner (county), is a three- storied stone building, with the bottom layer being more than 30 meters long and 15 meters wide.

The "pyramid" belongs to the Hongshan Culture period of 5,000 to 6,000 years ago, according to Guo Dashun, a famous Chinese archaeologist.

Seven tombs and ruins of an altar were found on the top of the "pyramid". At the site of the altar there are many fragments of broken pottery carved with the Chinese character mi" (rice). Archaeologists said that the character "mi" may have something to do with people's understanding of astrology in ancient times.

In one of the tombs, archaeologists found a bone flute and a stone ring, and they unearthed a stone sculpture of a goddess the size of a human body in another tomb.

Archaeologists were surprised to find a stone-carved linga on the wall of a tomb and a small stone statue of a goddess below the linga in the same tomb.

Archaeologist Guo said that many of the relics were first-time discoveries and they are of great significance in studying the burial customs, religious and sacrifice rituals, and the social structure of the Hongshan Culture.

He pointed out, the discovery of the "pyramid" is also of great significance in exploring the origin of the Chinese civilization.

The Hongshan Culture, belonging to the Neolithic culture, is mainly distributed in the juncture area between Inner Mongolia, Liaoning and Hebei provinces.

http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/english/200107/09/eng20010709_74490.html

Have fun
Anita Mui

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